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TalkBack: Pension Topic Hits A Nerve

San Leandro has a pension problem. Employees took benefit hikes in lieu of pay hikes in the past. That kicked the cost can down the road. Now the bill has come due.

 

San Leandro, like many California communities, boosted employee benefits over a decade ago, when the booming stock market swelled pension funds -- making it seem like an almost free way to raise government employee compensation.

Today investment returns are painfully low and the easy money gone. And governments are being forced to pay more of their operating revenues to honor pension obligations -- while the economic slump has crimped tax revenues.

San Leandro will have an election in November.

The city manager is negotiating contracts with city workers now.

Do we know where candidates stand, or how the contract talks are going?

Not so much.

But a prompted dozens of comments and some interesting differences.

Here are highlights:

Mike Sobek, president of the San Leandro Police Officer's Association: The SLPOA is not against pension reform as (Patch) stated with the status quo comment. We simply are looking at what is best for our members in conjunction with what the community is asking.

Marga Lacabe, blogger and Democratic Party activist: A large number of  (police officers) have compensations close to $200K a year, and several top that. The average family income in San Leandro is a third of that. Do you think whining that you want more, while our social services, after school programs, library hours and community events are cut for lack of money, will endear you to the community?

Justin Hutchison, city council candidate: With regard to pension reform. I work as a store manager . . . I never have to worry about getting shot in the head on a random traffic stop. I never have to worry about the one day when I may have to pull the trigger. I do not have to sacrifice my body taking people into cutsody, drive in high speed pursuits risking my life, etc. Public Safety Officers work a very rigorous and stressful job. I believe they deserve a nice pension in their retirement.

Justin Agrella, Patch commenter: According the FBI’s Annual Uniform Crime Report, there are nearly one million police officers serving in the United States now. The number of deaths as a percentage of the total officers serving is .007% of the total. You are more likely to get struck by lightning than to get killed serving as a police officer anywhere in the country -- much less in San Leandro.

Tony Santos, former mayor: The city started pension reform long before it was fashionable; city's employees have taken huge cuts in pay and benefits over the past several years; I believe none have received any "cost of living" increase in over five years . . . salaries and benefits have been cut dramatically, from a high of $48 million a year down to about $36 million-a savings of $12 million . . . we should be thanking our employees for the sacrifice they have provided over the last five or so years.

Hermy B. Almonte, city council candidate: San Leandro did not adopt any measures under Mayor Santos that resulted in any reduction in the cost of employee pensions in the near term. Today nearly $13 million in city funds goes to pay for worker retirement costs, up from $4 million a decade ago. The amount keeps rising and consuming a greater proportion of city revenues. Why does San Leandro have the worst roads in Alameda County? Why is the city history museum closed? Why do we only have 89 sworn police officers when a city of our size should have at least 100 officers?

David Nierengarten, citizen and Patch commentator: I have the budget report from 2011 open right now. Total government activities expenditures have increased from $100.1M in 2003 to $112.2M in 2011. During that time, the public safety budget has increased from $35.7M to $45.9M, a $11.2M increase. In other words, over 90% of the increase in government expenditures in San Leandro in the past 8 years went to public safety.

Vernon S. Burton, Patch commentor: To all those . . . who have bought into the "public employee as enemy" stupidity, I say look at San Jose (where) citizens . . . elected a right of center Mayor. They are no longer one of the nation's safest places to live, they are awash in crime and murders.

Richard Mellor, Patch blogger: Increased police presence does not mean increased safety . . . The police have traditionally been used to break strikes and protect the wealthy who make the laws they pledge to defend. They are the force that throw people out of their homes on behalf of landlords and bankers. But it is a mistake to attack their pensions which are not the casue of social crisis.

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Carol Parker May 14, 2013 at 08:45 pm
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Stefanie Pruegel January 29, 2013 at 05:11 pm
I would speculate that more durable, reusable bags still score a lot better than disposables, evenRead More if a small fraction of those are "dual use" as in the cases you point out (dog poop, trash can liner). BTW, for those concerned about a dwindling supply of free poop bags as a result of the ban, here are still plenty of plastic bags available for that purpose e.g. those that people's newspaper comes in. The bottom line is that most people would agree that reusable bags are the better solution than to continue choking our waterways with disposable plastic bags.
David January 21, 2013 at 10:12 pm
There are plenty of competing studies that disagree. I perused that, and one huge faulty assumptionRead More that they have is that "single use" means single use when as we see above, people use them for dogs, garbage etc.
Stefanie Pruegel January 21, 2013 at 09:47 pm
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Sarah Nash May 10, 2013 at 02:18 pm
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David April 27, 2013 at 03:09 pm
Oh come on, Rob. You talk about me cherry picking stuff? 10/10? Sure. And as I've shown you canRead More pull out Maxwell Park, North Oakland, parts of SF (Glen Park, for example), parts of El Cerrito and other locations to show that API scores aren't well-correlated with property values. Again, why do homes sell for the same $/sq foot in Maxwell Park as Estudillo Estates? San Lorenzo's API is about the same or better than most of SLUSD. Property values there are lower. The clearest example of what effect API scores have on property values was mentioned below, about a 10% difference depending on which side of the tracks, er, 580 you live on in Castro Valley. 10%? whoopdedo, that kind of variation is washed out when you factor in commute times, crime, amenities, etc. In fact, API scores are likely to continue to shrink as a factor in RE values as more and more parents flee the public schools, no matter what the API (witness SLUSD, the 30% drop in OUSD enrollment in just the past decade, etc). In another generation, we'll be accused by our children of child abuse by having sent them to public schools.
Rob Rich April 27, 2013 at 12:38 pm
If you accept the premise that API scores are poorly correlated with real estate vualues, then is itRead More coincidental that the top school districts are in areas with high real estate values? http://www.greatschools.org/find-a-school/7046-ten-california-school-districts-highest-test-scores-2012.gs. In the old days, 10 for 10 was considered pretty good correlation.
David April 15, 2013 at 09:58 am
To my point. Fred, we can agree to disagree, but here's my point: Leah, you have repeatedly sungRead More the praises of BUSD. More than a few of your neighbors and those in the other upper middle/lower upper class areas of SL think similarly. BUSD, as I have also pointed out, does a *worse* job, relative to SLUSD, of educating what I presume you'd call "stressed" kids--those in poor socioeconomic strata, blacks and Hispanics of whatever color. Yet, you hold BUSD up as a great system. It's not. The only reason you and your fellow travelers in the Broadmoor/Estates/Bay-O think it is, is due to the presence of "enough" upper class white/Asian kids who perform well enough to drag up the overall scores. This has a beneficial effect on property values, demographics etc in places like Berkeley and certain neighborhoods in Oakland. How to quickly achieve that in SLUSD? Re-organize the schools so that they're K-8. We'd automatically get better scoring K-8 schools in the Roosevelt/Bancroft districts, and with those high performing schools in the Manor. With a stroke, you'd get 40-50% of K-8 kids in SLUSD in "high performing" API 800+ schools. And Fred, we'd just have to disagree here. Schools of reasonable size like Hillcrest (K-8, upper class area) do just fine, I think a similar dynamic would work here in the Estates etc.
David April 15, 2013 at 09:54 am
Leah, I *highly* doubt the kids' poor outcomes result form "everyday stress." As I'veRead More repeatedly pointed out, 7/8 of my great-grandparents never progressed passed 8th or 9th grade, yet they all achieved higher levels of literacy and numeracy than those demonstrated repeatedly by Mr. Heverly's high school students. As for everyday stresses, need we go into life in the 1880's/1890's and how easy people have it today? You want to compare today's "stresses" to those of being a black girl in Mobile Alabama in 1890, or a black guy in Beaumont Texas in 1890? Moving on to today's world, and your ridiculous comments. As Fred points out, kids today get food paid for by us taxpayers, classes under 30 students (not that class size has *EVER* been demonstrated to do anything for students, but it does increase the numbers of teacher union members...). Cont..
Fred Eiger April 15, 2013 at 02:23 am
I doubt it David, times have gotten worse. With billions of money wasted on welfare, rentRead More subsidies, free school breakfasts and lunches all we have to show are fat, lazy ignoramus' sloths who only want more welfare and continue to produce idiots. Leah, your educational views are abject failures. It's times for you and your ilk to just go away and leave the educational system to the adults who know what works.