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A Man and His Megachurch

Pastor Gary Mortara's Faith Fellowship Foursquare Church is locked in a legal battle with the city.

Pastor Gary Mortara was aiming for a professional golf career when he got the call, and it wasn’t on his cell phone. He remembers the moment vividly.

“I was sitting in a house in Alameda with my four buddies, watching a Raiders game and, basically, partying,” Mortara recalled in a recent interview in his office above the main sanctuary at Foursquare Church in San Leandro. 

“Something came over me and I said, ‘I need to leave. I need to go to church.’ And they looked at me and said, ‘Church? What are you saying?’”

Mortara was 22 years old, and though he had been raised in a devout Christian home, he had only been to church occasionally — “out of religious guilt,” he said — since age 16.

Athletic, good-looking and well-to-do, it seemed Mortara had everything he needed.

“On the outside everybody would say I was a pretty successful guy: I had cash, I had cars, I had ladies. But there was just an emptiness. And I knew it was God,” he said.

Mortara left that Monday night football gathering in the fall of 1980 and went straight to the All Nations Pentecostal Prayer Clinic, a small church in North Oakland where his father, a devout Christian, had worshipped. During the service, the pastor asked the attendees which of them wanted to give their lives to the Lord.

“And I walked down to the front and cried for like 20 minutes,” Mortara said. “And that was it. Guys don’t cry. But the love of God is a pretty powerful thing.”

Today, Mortara leads one of the largest churches in San Leandro, one whose rapid growth, thanks largely to Mortara’s charismatic leadership, has landed it in a with the city.

Since taking the reins nearly 18 years ago, Mortara, 52, has turned Faith Fellowship from a nearly bankrupt, neighborhood church with a shrinking 65-person congregation (over one-third of them children) into a 2,000-member strong, media-savvy megachurch.

Mortara’s reach stretches well beyond San Leandro: His sermons are broadcast on television and cable in the Bay Area, Chicago and Las Vegas, as well as on the Internet, with a viewership of between 200,000 and 300,000 people weekly, according to Mortara.

Just what is Mortara’s secret? A look at the man and his church sheds light on why Mortara's flock continues to grow, and why he’s willing to fight the city until he gets a new church.

Sunday Morning at Faith Fellowship

Keyboard chords and a rainmaker, a simple percussion instrument, set the scene for the opening prayer at a recent mid-Sunday morning service. The rest of the church band, which included an electric guitar player in a red Hawaiian shirt and musicians on keyboard, drum set, congas and violin, slowly picked up the tune.

As the beat quickened, song lyrics appeared on two large screens at the front of the sanctuary. A five-person choir led the audience, moving across the front stage and gesturing like pop stars as they sang into cordless microphones. 

Audience members began to stand up and sway to the rhythm, some with moves and gusto more often associated with a Saturday night concert than a church service.

“When the spirit comes upon my heart, I will dance like David danced,” the crowd sang along. Unable to resist, a young boy started shyly clapping his hands and stomping his feet, head down.

The performance took up a good chunk of the hour- and 45-minute service. When the music ended, ushers sent trays piled with bits of crackers and thimble-sized shots of grape juice down the aisles for communion.

Faith Fellowship Foursquare, located just off of I-880 in the Washington Manor neighborhood, is a Charismatic/Pentecostal denomination. It’s part of a network of more than 1,800 Foursquare churches scattered around the country, and some 60,000 churches and meeting places across the globe, according to the Foursquare website.

The first Foursquare Church was founded in the early 1920s by the revivalist preacher Aimee Semple McPherson. Its original home is the colossal Angelus Temple in Echo Park, Los Angeles, which seated 5,300 people at the time (its capacity has since been reduced) and purportedly filled up for dozens of services each week.

Today, the Foursquare Church espouses the absolute truth of the Bible, and preaches that those who are “born again” will experience a real transformation, while non-believers will go to hell.

The church also teaches that those who experience the Holy Spirit will speak in tongues, although Mortara said this is kept “very structured and ordered,” at Faith Fellowship.

After communion, Mortara asked churchgoers to pull out their Bibles and pens in preparation for the day’s lesson. One parishioner produced highlighters and florescent sticky notes, ready to mark up passages in his indexed and earmarked Bible.

Mortara uses an expository preaching style, elaborating at length on each Bible verse. The lesson this day was about Joseph’s resistance to the seductions of his master’s wife. Joseph’s restraint was made all the more heroic, Mortara said, because of his good looks.

“Ladies, he was fine,” Mortara said, eliciting giggles from the audience.

The pastor launched into a lecture about the pitfalls of seduction. He was alternately serious and funny, illustrating familiar scenarios that often lead to broken families.

“‘She makes me feel young again,’” Mortara said, mocking the cliche middle-age man enchanted by a younger woman. “All of a sudden the shirt’s open, bald hair blowing in the wind. Then he’s gluing on chest hair….”

The audience cracked up.

“Joseph, the stage is set, bro. Your destiny’s on the line,” Mortara said, tying the scenario back to the Old Testament verse. 

“You can’t say the devil made me do it. God is giving you signs to get out. You have got to back away from the vehicle.”

Mortara’s sermon concluded with a five-point outline of the warning signs of impending sexual sin, printed in a large font on the overhead screens. “You can write this down,” he said. Many did.

 Who is Gary Mortara?

Mortara was born and raised in Oakland, and now lives in Castro Valley. He has blue eyes, an easy smile and tanned skin from many hours spent golfing. He’s an avid hunter: a buck's head with a giant rack of antlers and a stuffed pheasant adorn the walls of the church's upstairs offices.

Mortara is married and has three children, the youngest going on 16. His wife, Tisha, is also active in the church.

In an interview with Patch, he was dressed in the kind of smart casual you might see among patrons of a Palm Springs resort — long-sleeved button-down shirt, left untucked, brown corduroys and stylish leather shoes. 

He hasn’t given up his dreams of becoming a top pro golfer. At 50, Mortara had a shot at his first U.S. Senior Open. There were 70 players vying for two spots, Mortara explained. He missed a 4-foot putt on the first hole and finished third.

Currently, he’s attempting to qualify for three pro tournaments: the U.S. Open, U.S. Senior Open and the British Senior Open.

Meanwhile, Mortara has been very successful at growing his church. Faith Fellowship’s congregation has been on the rise since Mortara was invited to become its head pastor in September 1993, taking over from a man who, daunted by the church’s dwindling membership and bank account, resigned abruptly.

After the church outgrew its original building, it bought the adjacent property and built the current 650-seat sanctuary. Two thousand people showed up on opening day, Easter Sunday of 2003 according to Mortara.

“It backed up the freeway for 15 minutes,” he said. “It actually hurt us. People said, ‘If I have to go through this every Sunday, I’ll wait ‘til they find another place.’ ” 

The church has “released” seven couples to take over or start their own churches, Mortara said, each taking some Faith Fellowship members with them. Still, Faith Fellowship has continued to grow.

“It’s like pruning a tree, it keeps growing back,” he said.

Currently, the church holds three worship services and two special youth services every Sunday to accommodate all of its members and visitors. The church held its two Easter Sunday services this year at Chabot College’s 1,400-seat performing arts center.

'Not Only a Church, It's Actually Fun'

It’s hard to imagine a sermon that includes the words “fine” and “bro” going over well with a majority white-haired congregation, or in certain parts of the country. Mortara’s preaching style is clearly aimed at a crowd young and cool enough to appreciate it.

“(Some) thought people weren’t going to like it,” Mortara said of early critics, who thought he “preached too long, and the music was too hip.”

“I said, ‘Well, it’s biblical and it’s what I know, and God asked me to take over this church,’ ” Mortara said.

The median age of Faith Fellowship members, Mortara said, is between 35 and 45, many of them with families. He prides himself on the church’s diversity.

“We have millionaires here and people on welfare. White, black, Hispanic, Asian and everything in between,” he said.

Looking around during the service, the crowd did seem diverse. There were many young families — of all shades — along with retirement-age African American women in sober Sunday dresses, and at least a handful of young, white, casually dressed hipsters. 

That diversity attracted 26-year-old Michael French to Faith Fellowship.

“I’ve been to other churches before and there’s often one group: all white, or all black,” said French, who’s white and sported a goatee, stylish glasses, and dime-sized black earrings in each ear.

He said he’s been coming to the church for almost nine years, on and off.

“I feel so welcome here. That’s why it’s home,” he said before turning to chat with a group of young people huddled outside the church’s main doors.

Another churchgoer, 37-year-old Yema Lee, was introduced to Faith Fellowship through a drug rehab program in Hayward.

Lee, who’s African American, said she’d been coming to the church for about two months. “It’s cool,” she said. “The people are nice; teaching is good.”

She said she appreciated the abundance of church-sponsored activities aimed at keeping young people busy and off the streets.

“Not only is it a church, it’s actually fun,” she said.

She and others were also drawn by Mortara’s sermons.

“The message that Pastor Gary gives each week,” Lavern Haman-Dicko replied when asked why she's been coming for six years. “It’s so powerful,” said Haman-Dicko, a middle-age, African American nurse.

Faith Fellowship vs. City of San Leandro

To lighten the traffic impacts on the residential neighborhood around its San Leandro church, Faith Fellowship runs a Sunday shuttle service from the parking lot of a nearby post office.

Looking for a more permanent solution to the church’s space constraints, Mortara sought to relocate the church to a bigger lot five years ago. He found two adjacent properties for sale on Catalina Street in San Leandro’s industrial area. The property was 3½ acres with a 46,000-square-foot building that Mortara deemed a perfect new home for Faith Fellowship.

“As soon as I went and looked at it, I could see us in that building,” Mortara said.

But he ran into a snag: The city’s zoning laws prohibited "assembly uses" in the area, including religious gatherings. Upon the advice of city officials, Mortara applied for a change to the zoning code.

After a prolonged back and forth with the city, during which Mortara signed a purchase agreement for the properties and paid down nearly $54,000, the city ultimately decided not to rezone the area and denied the church’s use permit.

Instead, the city identified 196 other properties where assembly use could be permitted and encouraged the church to find a different building. The church’s Realtor examined all 196 properties and found them unsuitable because of size, configuration, safety concerns or their current uses, according to court documents.

The church sued, alleging the city violated its First and Fourteenth Amendment rights, along with a federal law, the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000, designed to protect religious institutions from overly burdensome land use regulations. 

Although a district court threw the case out in 2008, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in February of this year that the lawsuit could go forward. Just last week, on April 22, the appeals court from the city to reconsider its ruling.

Unless the parties settle, the city will either have to face the church in district court or appeal the decision to the Supreme Court.

In the meantime, Faith Fellowship sold its Catalina Street property last year, losing more than $2 million thanks to declining property values, according to Mortara. All told, the church has lost at least $3.7 million in the ordeal, he said.

Mortara said his reputation had also suffered because of the lawsuit. “We lost about 150 people, some of them very dear friends of mine who left because they thought I did wrong with God for getting into that building,” he said.

In legal costs, however, the church has spent nothing. Pacific Justice Institute, the conservative Christian legal group representing the church, is working on the case pro bono.

“So they’re not ringing a bill up to us, they’re ringing a bill up to the city,” Mortara said. “I could fight until Jesus comes back because it’s not costing me anything at this point.”

The pastor has said he doesn’t want to drain the city’s coffers (City Attorney Jayne Williams says the lawsuit has cost the city $450,000 so far), but he’s clearly not ready to accept defeat.

“I need a building,” Mortara said, deadpan. “God blessed me with this. I’m good at it. I just need a building.”

One of the two Easter morning services at Chabot College this year provides, perhaps, of glimpse of the pastor’s dream for his church’s future. More than 1,000 worshipers packed the auditorium while dozens of children attended Sunday school in a building next door.

The service included gospel songs led by a 35-person choir, two dance performances and a theatrical interpretation of a woman tempted by sin.

At the start of the service, Mortara announced the appeals court’s recent decision in favor of the church to thundering applause.

“Remember,” he said, “We never wanted to get into this fight with the city. We just need a building to house you all who keep coming to Faith Fellowship.”

Leah Hall April 28, 2011 at 07:44 AM
It's O.K., Andrew. Don't let she-Lord Voldemort here worry you. :)
Marga Lacabe April 28, 2011 at 08:09 AM
Leah, Leah, that's not very Christian of you. Surely you can find more Biblical ways to name call me? How about "viper" or "serpent" (Matt 23:33), "fool" (Matt 23:17) or, my favorite, "child of hell" (Matt 23:15)?
Larry Smith April 28, 2011 at 02:18 PM
Actually, I was just fishing to see who was writing the comments and caught my limit of the 'usual suspects'. Thanks for your input!
Leah Hall April 28, 2011 at 03:21 PM
well, let's see now....she-Lord Valdemort works just fine, but if you insist, she-Devil will do, my dark lord. :) -- BTW, How many horcruxex are you up to now, anyway?
Leah Hall April 28, 2011 at 03:27 PM
My word, 2000 people?! What's Faith's secret, donuts or donut holes, glazed or filled?
Robert Fukushima April 28, 2011 at 06:21 PM
Is golf un-Godly? I am pretty sure every reverend of every church I have ever known played golf, to a man, rather poorly. Back on topic, as I do not believe this is an issue of religion. The effects of a church, in terms of planning, can be extremely complex. Trying to site on in a manner and location that does not effect the surrounding community or developments can be rather difficult, especially in a code writing context. I actually see both sides of the issue, although I agree with Marga that it is most likely true that the City is holding a losing hand here and should cut it's losses. It is too bad that if this location was not acceptable, that the City could not work more effectively to find a location where this church could locate. Looking at this from a financial development issue, I would expect that the City would go the extra yard for a restaurant or shop that brings in 2000 people a week to the City. Hey, let's put them at the Marina!
Leah Hall April 28, 2011 at 06:53 PM
You might be right, Robert. One word I would change, though. It's not /the City's/ losing hand in the bigger picture. I worry that this sets a precedent (or to put it more precisely, puts into relief) our current legal system whereby a publicly funded social good is eroded by well resourced private individuals and entities. Southpark (I reveal my maturity level here) had a great episode using this concept as the plot. Kids and parents kept suing their own school and making millions while the school faculty, furnishings and campus were eroded out of existence.
Robert Fukushima April 28, 2011 at 08:33 PM
I understand your point here, although, I do believe it is the City's losing hand, I would suspect that a polling of San Leandro residents about this issue would return the opinion that most just don't care about this issue, or where the church should be. Part of that is a lack of caring about planning issues and revenue issues that the City government believes to be important to the City. The problem as I see it, having been involved in many church projects, is that there really are issues specific to churches that make them very difficult to site. I believe putting them in light industrial areas really does make sense. Similarly, developments like sports parks are never really good to put anywhere. They return limited value and income to the City, require large amounts of parking, are used sporadically at high intensities, create traffic issues and do not benefit the entire community directly.
Leah Hall April 28, 2011 at 10:27 PM
Understood. However, it is my hope that residents will care a great deal about an eroded general fund, or whichever pot of public money this type of settlement would come from. -- It seems to me that from what you are sharing about the known urban planning complexities of this type of project, that our city does have a significant measure of defense for its case, from my laymen's perspective (as a designer and not an attorney).
Rob Rich April 29, 2011 at 01:13 AM
I can readily imagine the city was less than forthcoming in their dealings with Faith Fellowship because they do want to maximize revenue from property taxes. But my goodness, buying a property that wasn't zoned for your intended use and then suing when you don't get it re-zoned per your demands? Now that's chutzpah!
Marga Lacabe April 29, 2011 at 01:55 AM
Rob, the Church finalized their purchase of the Catalina St. property 9 months after they initiated the rezoning process with the city. By then they had already put $250K on non-refundable deposits and the owner was saying "either you buy it ow or you lose your money". They were naively optimistic that the city would approve the rezoning petition, they didn't realize that the city was just toying with them. Had the city been more honest and told them 9 months earlier that they wouldn't get to use the property, all this would have been avoided.
Robert Fukushima April 29, 2011 at 03:30 AM
Well Rob, in my experience, that is development. That is not at all unusual in the land development profession. Even the lawsuit is not all that unusual, nor are the dollars. Many projects are started years, even a decade or more in advance, with the developer fronting money for zoning changes, utility changes and approvals long before land is broken. At this point, it appears the church will win, but there are no guarantees. Leah, you are relying on either common sense, or that most people, or attorneys, would see the issues as designers or planners. I doubt that will be the case.
Leah Hall April 29, 2011 at 06:53 AM
So I guess Southpark got it right, those writers are great. I can't wait to go see "The Book of Mormon" by the same creators. -- Dear God, how do I get tickets?
Rob Rich April 29, 2011 at 12:54 PM
Pastor Greg, the televangelical leader who discovered religion during Monday Night Football, has implemented a business plan that would make Al Davis proud. Unlike countless developers who have gone belly up by buying high and selling low, Greg has made a Federal case out of his risky investment. Make no mistake, this is not a "takings" case. The city has not downzoned the site rendering it worthless. Rather, the price Faith Fellowship paid, which presumably reflected the value of the current zoning, declined due to market forces during the time the church held the property. As a savvy developer Pastor Greg sought to maximize the value of his investment through the entitlement process, banking on the prospect that he would be successful in getting the property rezoned to his liking. When Plan A failed he fell back on Plan B, sue the city, using the Religious Land Use Act, which grants special rights to church-developers, and the Pacific Justice Institute's unlimited, free legal services "until Jesus comes back." If litigation is a war of attrition, the city is the only side incurring casualties. At this point we can either proceed to trial where the finder of fact will determine whether Pastor Greg was hoodwinked as he claims, or we can settle. I believe it would be prudent for the city to secure outside counsel to provide a 2nd opinion on the merits of the case so that a business decision could be made on the risks/rewards of moving forward vs settling.
Marga Lacabe April 29, 2011 at 03:13 PM
Wow, Rob. This is personal for you, isn't it? What the Pacific Justice Institute does is no different from what the ACLU does. I may be unhappy with their support of Prop 8, but hey, a lot of people are very unhappy with many of the ACLU's cases. That does not mean there is no great merit in having public interest law firms defending our civil rights - including the right to free exercise of religion. And what Pastor Greg did is /exactly/ what he should have done: he identified what both his church and Jermanis agreed was the only property within city limits that would fit their needs, he jumped through every hoop the city put in front of him to get it rezoned, before and after completing the purchase, and then, when the city came up with the most arbitrary possible excuses for denying him the rezoning, he sued, as is his right. Now, I may not like what Mortara stands for, but I respect the fact that people have the right to worship as they see fit, including in large groups. Indeed, I find the idea of the government using land regulations to stop large groups of people from coming together for a common purpose incredibly disturbing from a basic socio-political point of view.
Leah Hall April 29, 2011 at 05:52 PM
"Leah, you are relying on either common sense, or that most people, or attorneys, would see the issues as designers or planners. I doubt that will be the case." --Robert Fukushima -- Exhibit A - the dark lord here?
Robert Fukushima April 30, 2011 at 01:00 AM
Well, Marga is an attorney, and I think she has a definite point of view in terms of where she falls on the social justice spectrum. I have been on both sides of this issue and can definitely state, as a person who used to design landscapes for mosques, that after the World Trade Center attack, it became nearly impossible to get a mosque approved, and the planning and land use laws were the primary vehicle, by which more conservative governments stopped mosque projects. It is chilling to think that this could happen to any group of people, again, but it is and most likely will happen. As it happens, in this case, I do not believe that is the case. I believe this is all about City revenue and, in a way, it is what a City needs to do to stay viable. I really do see both sides here.
Fran April 30, 2011 at 01:59 AM
Well at least the church wouldn't have COST us any money. Can't say the same for most projects these days, public or private, can we? Now it's gonna cost us big $$$, basically because of our city's ignorance or arrogance, whichever you prefer to believe. Hopefully other cities will learn from our mistake.
Leah Hall April 30, 2011 at 02:05 AM
Balance is a very good thing, Robert. Thank you for your input. I do believe ethics enters into this conversation, whether or not common sense will have the day doesn't seem to be the point, I *hear* you saying. I guess I'll just wait and see :)
Leah Hall April 30, 2011 at 02:42 AM
I think that is not the only lesson to draw from this, Fran. My analogy would be children's parks and play equipment. So many lawsuits have been brought against the public that there is only a handful of companies in the business of making it anymore (because these players are the only ones big enough to stay in business with all the litigation they are subject to). Children's play equipment in our country is extraordinarily banal as a result. It always amazes me how delightful the parks and play equipment for children (and sometimes seniors) are when we go to other countries where the litigation is not so ubiquitous.
Thomas Clarke April 30, 2011 at 03:21 AM
The City of San Leandro has a long, since at least 1989, and unpleasant relationship of intolerance for charismatic fundamentalist Christian congregations. The city spent a lot of money and time hassling the IBBC over astonishinly similar issues to those of Faith Fellowship. The deep foundation of intolerance towards the non-mainstream faith is borne out by the comparative lack of faith driven congregations within the community. Soon, perhaps, San Leandro will grow out of its small school mentality, but I am not betting on it. I hope that Faith Fellowship perseveres and that they find an appropriate sized venue for their expression of faith. I doubt seriously that San Leandro is big enought to embrace this much diversity. It would be nice to be wrong.
Robert Fukushima April 30, 2011 at 04:54 AM
Ha! Play equipment and playground liability, don't get me started.
Leah Hall April 30, 2011 at 06:09 AM
I'll try not to. However, I just uploaded a picture taken at a park in London to this article. The variety, creativity, and inventiveness of the play equipment is manifest at every city park we have visited in England. This particular pulley and ramp spanned about 30ft - 45ft and the kids were having a blast when we were there. -- On another tack, I was thinking about both sides a little more and wondering what the costs to the city in terms of accommodating such a large congregation, especially because they don't pay property tax and so tax payers would be subsidizing the church for different city services. This fact alone suggests to me that the city planning office consideration of siting accommodation options is non-trivial, in addition to other factors previously noted by you.
Leah Hall April 30, 2011 at 06:51 AM
I came upon a recent ruling in Colorado involving a mega-church in Rocky Mountain. The church was blocked from realizing its 20-year needs expansion plan. A law firm wrote an article in which it addressed the question posed by Frans question above:
Leah Hall April 30, 2011 at 06:51 AM
What can local governments learn from the Rocky Mountain case? In terms of process, ensure that your planning professionals and staff treat applications made by religious organizations the same as applications filed by nonreligious organizations; Make the criteria of special use as objective and measurable as possible; Ensure that the same standards are used for all cases; For compliance, compare public school decision making to religious decision making and be consistent; Refrain from making comments which show that you recognize the religious nature of the case; Refrain from making comments about the religion or denomination; Refrain from making comments about limiting the growth of religious institutions; In your ordinances, have a plan for growth of institutions (schools, churches, hospitals, colleges, etc) which address the growth (not institutional) issues; Write accurate and unbiased staff reports; Keep an inventory of sites available for development as religious facilities in order to overcome unreasonable limitation arguments; Compare the cost of your process for religious and nonreligious applications of the same or similar scope; and Remember that internal memoranda, e-mails, and draft reports will be evidence in an RLUIPA trial. http://www.kirtleytaylor.com/resource-library/62-family-law/227-mega-church-wins-rluipa-case-in-colorado
Fran April 30, 2011 at 01:30 PM
Because the 10th Circuit Court found for RMCC on both the equal terms and unreasonable limitations issue, it chose not to review the sufficiency of evidence of the substantial burden on the religious exercise on RMCC. This is most like our ruling. No substantial burden review here either. Guess they didn't get the memo )
Leah Hall April 30, 2011 at 05:11 PM
Just sitting in my armchair waiting to see. It's interesting, if these guidelines are to be followed, that a mega-church is the same as a /public/school, for decision making purposes on behalf of the city. That seems a clumsy way of looking at the two institutions. Consider that some of these mega-churches grow to be stadium size. What exactly is the non-taxable status situation then, is it the same as for a 100-200 person size parish?
Robert Fukushima April 30, 2011 at 08:30 PM
An interesting thing that is happening is that there are some cities that have come to understand that consolidating public schools into larger schools to save money has an unintended impact on surrounding neighborhoods that requires moving them into areas not zoned as residential. An example of this can be seen in Pleasanton, where a school is located in the Hacienda Business Park. This actually was done to alleviate the traffic issues associated with schools. Further, this allowed for larger parking areas and more accessibility to the fields after school. A more interesting, and perhaps more New Urban solution might have been for the City and the Church to partner in the project and create a multi-use project that combined the church's development with a retail/light industrial use such that the entire property is not given to tax loss, while allowing the church to develop it's own project and partnering in other infrastructure elements. Now, that would have been thinking.
Leah Hall April 30, 2011 at 11:00 PM
That's what kind of burns me up about polarization of issues and special interests in general. Yes, one might win the battle but then lose the war. Your idea, Robert, sounds like it means compromise on both sides that would result in the best (or least bad, if you prefer) design solution.
brian blunt July 24, 2011 at 10:20 PM
he is a good pastor

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