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Do You Still Shop at Bay Fair?

Patch Facebook fans in San Leandro and Castro Valley hold spirited discussion about whether this mall has seen much better days.

Castro Valley Patch Facebook post about a new business opening at Bay Fair Center got this response: "We don't go to Bay Fair because it's ghetto."

It surprised me a little. When I lived in Oakland in the late 1990s Bay Fair was our go-to shopping spot, mainly for Macy's, though I dined at the food court and bought music at a chain store there. I remember it was big news when the "modern" movie theater opened about 10 years ago, and I certainly never felt in danger there.

So this week we asked San Leandro Patch Facebook fans whether Bay Fair has gone downhill in recent years and how it compares to neighboring malls in Hayward or Pleasanton. We got more than 90 comments, with the vast majority of posters in agreement with their CV neighbors.

There were a few die-hard mall supporters but most said they only shop at the Big Box stores on the lot and rarely go inside or after dark.

Here are some of the best comments. Let us know what you think!

Mall Critics

"I got held up in [the] parking lot for 20 bucks."

"One time, I went there to meet up with some friends at the mall, then go to the movies. And while I was waiting, four guys started fighting. Apparently rival gang-members. They threw chairs around and one had a knuckle brace that made another guy bleed a lot. Securities? Nowhere to be found."

"I would say unpleasant shopping experiences due to a lot of rowdy, disrespectful younger generation crowds, crazy drivers and parking lot issues. The areas near (the stores) are not the best and safest neighborhoods. But I would agree that Southland is worse. I choose Stoneridge over both malls unless I really have no time to make the drive to Pleasanton."

"The inside of the mall has nothing to offer. I am surprised Barons Jewelers stuck around as long as they did. I go to Target, Chili's, the movie theater and once in a while Kohl's and BB&B. The mall I remember going to as a child and hanging out many a time as a teenager is sadly no more. Times change, but you always hope for the better. Bayfair changed for the worse."

"The fact that it is gangster has nothing to do with it. The stores there don't have the same selection as Southland or the (Pleasanton) mall."

"Yes, It is ghetto and I only go to Target and the big boxes outside. The center is kind of scary and the mall inside is low-end and unpleasant, no reason to go or shop. STONERIDGE for MALL stores."

Mall Supporters

"Please. I am tired of this complaint. There are hundreds of us who enjoy shopping at Kohls, Macy's, Target, Staples, PetsMart, etc., and we are glad to have these shopping opportunities close by. Not too strangely, I don't run into any of the 'gangsta' types in any of those places, and the parking is great. What's not to like?"

"Stoneridge is a suburban mall. Durant Square is the ghetto mall (with some good deals). Bayfair is an urban mall and a lot better than what it used to be after Wards closed."

"I usually shop at Target or Kohls. The stores inside of the mall are not very interesting. I go inside once in a while to see what's new. My kids like to play in the kiddie play area on rainy days. I never had any problems whatsoever. But then, there is barely anybody in there when I walk thru. It is a bit of a dreary place."

"I live close and go there often. We were there a couple weekends ago waiting for our yummy food from Diggers, the new "diner," and I actually commented to my husband that it actually looks like a mall. All kinds of people, food court packed, kid area packed....I'd say Southland is more 'ghetto.' I didn't see ANY bangers like there used to be. It has really cleaned up."

What do you think? What sort of stores would bring you back to Bay Fair? Tell us in the comments below.

David February 22, 2013 at 09:54 pm
You're helping the local bureaucrats spend your sales taxes.
David February 22, 2013 at 09:56 pm
Mike, the ****box apartments on Bancroft are 97% occupied too.
Doesn't make anyone enjoy strolling around there.
jeffrey olsen February 22, 2013 at 09:58 pm
i believe SL could hire more security guards instead police officers.it's funny when person with salary of Nobel award winner investigates a noise complaint or drunk family scandal,many fence community are using own securities for these investigations and very successfully,if the city will saturate streets with people in uniform it will provide good result,today we can hire near 10 security guards (special patrol) instead one police officer,FYI security guard makes 9 dollars/hour without any benefits at all in East Bay and I never heard about hundred thousands milking
harassment scandals with the security guards,they are more disciplined than police officers,because guard can be fired in one minute without any explanations. i can't even imagine a security guard with his legs on chair,drinking coffee,as i saw the police officer in a court last week,and you will be harassed immed. if you try to make any remark about the officer's absence of respect to public
Leah Hall February 22, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Yes, I meant the Baystreet in Emeryville, Gary. What kind of music do you play? It is great to have outdoor music while shopping and strolling. On a side note, one of my best buddies hired a band that often plays at San Leandro outdoor farmer's markets for her husband's birthday party last year (Bluegrass). The music made their event really awesome and now it's fun to hear him play around town from time to time.
One of the major things that really soured me and my soulmate to the Bayfair Mall and Macy's was learning about significant public money from redevelopment funds going towards subsidizing rent, parking, and "reviving" the center. If the mall can be said to have been "revived," I suspect manifests itself on a financial balance sheet (if that). It certainly isn't a pleasant place to be except on Saturdays outside at the year round Farmer's Market. Will City Have To Pay $70,000-A-Month To Subsidize Bay Fair? A lawsuit says the city is on the hook for rent that the mall's owner isn't paying for the parking lot where the Farmer's Market is held. http://sanleandro.patch.com/articles/suit-says-city-must-pay-70-000-a-month-for-bay-fair-lot
Thomas Clarke February 22, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Nathan, shame you cannot tell he difference between Southland which is in Hayward and Bayfair which is in San Leandro. It could be that you are just a troll from Pleasanton.
Thomas Clarke February 22, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Barney, good choice of a name. Most assuridely a Barney. Another Pleasanton wannabe. Stay there.
Thomas Clarke February 22, 2013 at 10:12 pm
If you are between 17-45 you are the right age for Macy's. If not they do not give a rip about you and what you like.
Leah Hall February 22, 2013 at 10:13 pm
Investment and caring about the place one lives is a non-partisan issue.
Thomas Clarke February 22, 2013 at 10:15 pm
Tony, Bay Fair Macy's is no where near $80M a year. Not even half of that.
Oliver Wayne February 23, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Only at stores with access outside the mall (Macy's, Staples, Target). Going inside the mall is like asking for trouble.
Glen from Hayward February 23, 2013 at 03:29 pm
It has turned into a Ghetto Mall. It was nice years ago but I never go there anymore, there are robberies, car break-ins by the theater and elseware, muggings, ect... and the thugs and wanna be thugs everywhere. NO THANKS
Thomas Clarke February 23, 2013 at 05:18 pm
Glen, you sure have a lot of experience with Bay Fair, yet you never go there anymore. Do stay down at Southland for the shootings and at Newpark for the muggings and rapes or Hilltop for the drug deals and gun deals. Of course you know all about these because you do not shop at any of them. Another informed Patch comment from the Peanut Gallery.
Gary Allsebrook February 23, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Leah, we play the blues and will be there on March 17th from 3:00 to 5:00pm by AMC
Thomas I do go to Bayfair (for pet food only) and the thugs that roam around the grounds there are a bit intimidating. I used to shop at Macy's but the selection at that store is pathetic compared to Stoneridge. The fact is that street crime of all types is up remarkably in San Leandro (except aggravated assault) See the SLPD crime stats http://www.sanleandro.org/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?blobid=5081 There are a few things you can do to protect yourself: 1. PAY ATTENTION! Stay OFF your cell phone and don't listen to your music player. 2. Make eye contact - Only police and criminals make eye contact (this not not mean a nasty glare - just an awareness that you are alert) 3. FBI statistics show that 80% of crime against individuals happens within 20'of their vehicle - stay focused on whats around you - constantly scan the area for potential threats. 4. Always stay is a state of relaxed awareness. (that would be "condition yellow" from the color code on mental awareness) The Color Code of Mental Awareness can save your life armed or not. See http://www.tacticalintelligence.net/blog/the-color-code-of-awareness.htm
Thomas Clarke February 23, 2013 at 10:49 pm
Gary, I was not suggesting that you did not shop at Bay Fair. I had addressed my comments to Glen, who has not responded and does not shop at Bay Fair. I too shop at Petsmart and the other shops in the Greater Shopping Area of San Leandro. The reason that Macy's Bay Fair has only a quarter of the selection as Pleasanton is that it only does a fifth of the business. Macy's tailors their selection to what the customer's will pay for and there is little in the way of luxury and highest pricepoint in the sales at Bay Fair. Same issue that Trader Joe's has with San Leandro. The folks do not buy enough of the merchandise that each of these fine stores sell.
Your recommendations for avoiding being a victim are very good. You can add general posture. Eyes up and alert are real strong anti-victim signals, as are keys in your hands, perhaps a roll of quarters in your hand or a whistle or both. If you have a cell phone camera, have it available as well. Victims are everywhere and it is good to remember that the crime rates of the 1980's and 1990's were much higher than they are today. The difference is that we know about the problems much faster and with greater accuracy.
x February 24, 2013 at 12:00 am
Or Thomas, you can try to avoid the situation(s) completely and simply shop somewhere else ... more safe ... not where you feel the need for a roll of quarters or whistle. Granted, you aren't truly safe anywhere but you can be much safer somewhere else completely.
Jessica Gardner February 24, 2013 at 12:22 am
Do not walk around bayfair with a camera phone out unless you want someone to take it from you.
Thomas Clarke February 24, 2013 at 12:47 am
Jessica you are of course correct, the camera phone should be in your pocket.
Nathan, I have no interest in being a victim of either the violence or the fear engendered by way too much focus on bad things happening. I am prepared. If you choose not to be prepared then that is certainly your choice. Just not mine.
Leah Hall February 24, 2013 at 01:43 am
Will try to make the show on March 17th from 3-5!
Emeryville Bay Street Mall! Correct?
Gary Allsebrook February 24, 2013 at 09:00 am
Leah that is correct. The bands website is www.crossscutband.net for further info and directions
I use the mental code of awareness ALL the time, yes even when I am in Stoneridge. Taking photos with a camera or cell phone camera could be dangerous unless you have the means to defend yourself. Another tip, if something looks amiss, return to the store or head the other way. Don't put yourself in harms way needlessly. Never wear jewelry,especially gold chains in public. A lot of crime can be mitigated simply by situational awareness. Criminals prefer distracted, unengaged victims. Don't make yourself a target.
Robert R. Talley February 24, 2013 at 02:55 pm
So what are the responses to these comments from Bay Fair owners/managers and tenant businesses?
Leah Hall February 24, 2013 at 03:27 pm
That link was slightly off, Gary. Thank you and here's a link that works: http://www.crosscutband.net/
I'd like to see a teen voice feature on Patch to get a wide range of youth perspectives. When we were teens, we'd hang out at the mall and look for work summers and after school. It was considered a safe, fun, if also sterile, place to be. What do San Leandro teens do for fun during their down time?
Robert Marrujo February 24, 2013 at 05:49 pm
I consider the failings of Bayfair to be the result of poor mall security and SL itself not keeping the BART station and the outlying area safe. No one wants to establish business in a place where thugs are given free reign. Focusing resources on protecting key areas of the city continues to be a problem our city government can't resolve. Bayfair has a lot of potential, it's a real shame.
Jessica Gardner February 24, 2013 at 06:00 pm
Robert,
Your right it all comes down to security and safety. Where are the SLPD? Why do they not patrol the mall hourly?
Gary Allsebrook February 24, 2013 at 09:06 pm
Probably because they are busy with service calls in other parts of the city - Bayfair is private property. Look at San Leandro's crime stats and you'll see where the police are. The mall needs to beef up its security if its going to survive. Quite frankly I'm surprised the place survived the so called economic downturn.
sandra dawson February 24, 2013 at 09:28 pm
I never shop at Bayfair or Southland Malls. I do admit to shopping at the "outside" stores once in awhile. I also go to the movie theater at Bayfair. I do not go alone and I never go at night. There are too many rough looking people shopping at both malls and the stores cater to that market. My grandson was here from Washington and we went to Southland and he could not believe the stores catering to the thugs.
I always shop at Stoneridge Mall for safety reasons.
x February 25, 2013 at 12:04 am
I find the new outlet mall in Livermore even more desirable. Can't believe some of the deals I walked away from there with.
Carol Parker February 25, 2013 at 12:12 am
And it is right next to a BART station!
David February 25, 2013 at 12:16 am
My point above. There are barely 2 dozen cops on duty in SL at any given time.
Carol Parker February 25, 2013 at 12:24 am
Didn't there used to be a SLPD sub-station in the mall?
Linda Entrikin February 25, 2013 at 12:59 am
We've always considered Bay Fair as a destination for dinner and a show ... we've seen shoplifters being tackled to the ground by security, police run into the mall with arms drawn, kids walk into Fresh Choice and help themselves to food without paying.
The last time we were leaving Bay Fair we were very politely informed by a person hanging out in the parking lot that he would wait to go to the bathroom until we were in our car. Sure enough once in our car and pulling out of our parking space, he unzipped and did his business against a light pole. We are so done with Bay Fair.

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